MyDD :: We need to Stand Behind the Democratic Nominee and our Party

We need to Stand Behind the Democratic Nominee and our Party

by changehorses08, Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:02:36 PM EST

The Republicans are beginning their attacks against Hillary Clinton. Their talking points are "her electability". Now why would the Republicans NOT want us to nominate Hillary? Could it be that she is electable and this is what they're afraid of? You will be hearing this alot but remember they want our weakest candidate. Expect anything in the General Election -- for instance an Independent who decries what both parties stand for, someone who talks like he has just come from Heaven to save us. The fact is that an Independent cannot win because both parties have all the power. To vote for an Independent would secure the election of another Bush Republican.

I understand the frustration with Primaries being front-loaded and some of our candidates not even getting an airing. However, if we can stand together and win we can change all this.

We can fall in love with our Democratic Candidate in the Primaries but when it comes to the General Election we must fall in line behind our Nominee. What these last years have shown us is that Republicans do not care about ordinary Americans. Once we put a Democrat in as President we will have a voice in Washington and that would be the time to drive home our point that we will not be ignored. For those who believe the Democrats control Congress but have not done anything different than Republicans and Bush on Iraq--the truth is the Democrats do not control Congress. In the Senate we have only a one vote majority and you need 60 votes for a veto proof Senate. In the House there are 40 Democrats who consistently vote with the Republicans. Most of the 40 are in Republican States. This leave us a small majority. Sure we control the Committees now but we do not have the votes to stop Bush from using his veto. The real power comes when we are back in control. Winning is the best revenge.

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I will gladly give to and vote for Obama / Edwards (none / 0)

Gladly. I don't think either is as good a choice as Hillary Clinton (or Al Gore but that is a different story) but if its them or a Republican - and I don't care who the Republican is, it could be Abe Lincoln - I am voting to put a Democrat in the White House.

I want to make sure that what legislation that we do manage to gete past the obstructionist Republicans is signed into law. I want to make sure we are not launching anymore wars for oil and political gain. We need a Democrat.

by dpANDREWS on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:12:43 PM EST

Loyalty to our Party (none / 0)

Thank you--I like you am a loyal Dem.

by changehorses08 on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:47:38 PM EST
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Stand Behind the Democratic Nominee and our Party (2.00 / 1)

I'll vote for Hillary, but I won't give money and won't volunteer for her. I'll be working double time for my local Dems, because a Hillary candidacy will be very bad for them here in Indiana.

The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK

by Vox Populi on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:14:41 PM EST

How much did Kerry and Gore win Indiana by again? (none / 0)

I look to my own state where Kerry was called "French", was painted as a fake war hero, made fun of as a Yankee, and a New England liberal, and wass ultimately smoked by Bush in a very high turnout vote. By county went for Bush by 76%.

Democrats did very well in the state. The Democratic governor was re-elected by double digits. Democrats regained control of one chamber of the legislature and extended it majority in the other. The Charlotte City Counself went to Democratic control for the first time in years.

How is that possible with the Democrat at the top of the ticket getting smoked? Simple, there is no connection up and down the ticket. There have actually been academic studies down proving this. Coattails went out with arrival of the media age.

by dpANDREWS on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:21:28 PM EST
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Re: How much did Kerry and Gore win Indiana by aga (none / 0)

Didn't they do that to Nancy Pelosi to and we still won.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:26:27 PM EST
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Dems Loyalty (none / 0)

You got that right. The media doesn't seem to feel the Dems have a right to govern. Sometimes though the American people get fed up enough and stop listening to anything but their hearts and wallets. Looks like a Dem sweep.

by changehorses08 on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:52:21 PM EST
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Re: How much did Kerry and Gore (none / 0)

Prior to the early 80's you could vote a straight party ticket. There was a line on the ballot which said Republican Party or Democratic Party. However, you could still vote for each candidate individually. Now with each candidate listed separately there is no way that the person at the top of the ticket could effect all the other Dems. This is more Republican games.

by changehorses08 on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:57:08 PM EST
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How much did Kerry and Gore win Indiana by again? (none / 0)

Coattails do exist in terms of providing enthusiasm for the parties. Hillary is a polarizing figure. That is fact. Among Republicans and Independent voters, she is not popular. Her popularity is based on her strength among Democrats.

Republican voters have no reason to be excited with their candidates. Republican candidates in Indiana are absolutely salivating at the idea of Hillary being the nominee.

The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK

by Vox Populi on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 03:06:38 PM EST
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Re: How much did Kerry and Gore win Indiana by aga (none / 0)

So I should vote for someone else I don't want to because of some republican salivating in Indiana.

He can be chewing grass for all i care , I am not bothered. I make my pick based on who I think will be best to get the job done , not because of a sailvating republican in Indiana.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 03:17:56 PM EST
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Re: How much did Kerry and Gore win Indiana by aga (none / 0)

You miss the larger point. There are more Red states than Blue states. Democrats made inroads in these communities in 2006. There are Republican candidates in all these states giddy about the idea of Hillary Clinton at the top of the Democratic ticket.

Why would you want a candidate that Democratic candidates can't or won't campaign with?

The sharpest criticism often goes hand in hand with the deepest idealism and love of country. ~RFK

by Vox Populi on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 03:27:14 PM EST
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Re: How much did Kerry and Gore win Indiana by aga (none / 0)

Why would you want a candidate that Democratic candidates can't or won't campaign with?

- Where is the evidence of that.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 03:30:22 PM EST
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Again I think you are wrong (none / 0)

Kerry won the nomination by default in '04. He didn't excite anyone. He wasn't the darling pick or the movement candidate. He was the last best safest choice. Heck, most thought he had ran a pee poor campaign as the election date neared.

Yet it was a near record turnout and he recieved more votes for President than any Democrat in history. AND despite all those Democratic votes, their was no great Democratic undercurrent anywhere to speak of. This is because the ticket isn't tied top to bottom.

by dpANDREWS on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 05:59:46 PM EST
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The top of the ticket can't hurt the ticket (none / 0)

Very true because people can no longer vote a straight ticket so who's at the top of the ticket no longer matters.

by changehorses08 on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 02:50:18 AM EST
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you don't know much about campaigns, do you? (none / 0)

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton

by bored now on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 02:14:10 PM EST
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Re: you don't know much about campaigns, do you? (none / 0)

Consider the source. When Howard Dean or the Nancy Pelosi or Harry Reid say that -- then I will listen.

by changehorses08 on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 12:33:13 AM EST
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so how did bowles do??? (none / 0)

it's really hard to argue that the top of the ticket did not effect his chances...

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton

by bored now on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 02:18:06 PM EST
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You argue Kerry effect Bowles? (none / 0)

Why did he not then effect Easely or the Legislature?

by dpANDREWS on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 09:15:32 AM EST
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Party Loyalty (none / 0)

I appreciate how you feel. But thank you for being loyal to our Party.

by changehorses08 on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:48:57 PM EST
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Re: We need to Stand Behind the Democratic Nominee (none / 0)

Whoever is our candidate I'll do everything humanly possible to get elected.

Although I am not pleased with Edwards campaign , he sounds like he is taking his cues from the Kos crowd , i'll still work hard for him too.

Too much at stake to be immature.

Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.

by lori on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:28:36 PM EST

Re: We need to Stand Behind the Democratic Nominee (none / 0)

This diary is about 5 months early. Its a battle to the death right now... post this in February after the nomination is over.

http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!

by yitbos96bb on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:40:30 PM EST

Dem Loyalty (none / 0)

If this is a battle to the death its going to leave all the candidates bruised and battered. Just remember the prize.

by changehorses08 on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 02:50:21 PM EST
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how is that any different than the gop primary? (none / 0)

democrats need to put forward their strongest nominee, which doesn't necessarily mean their most popular one. we all know that hillary is fatally flawed. the question is, do democrats want to win or do they just want to nominate the first female nominee?

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton

by bored now on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 02:15:54 PM EST
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Grover is not my decider (none / 0)

Grover Norquist is fatally flawed. If Grover says Hillary is the weakest candidate. Then she is probably the toughest candidate to beat.

by changehorses08 on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 12:36:01 AM EST
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i believe he said she was the easiest candidate... (none / 0)

to beat. that's not the same as the weakest candidate. it's ok to be naive, you still get the same voice...

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton

by bored now on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 09:18:20 AM EST
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Grover Should be seen and not heard... (none / 0)

If Grover Norquist thinks Hillary is the easiest candidate to beat in the General. Then why not keep his mouth shut. You don't find it odd that Hillary's enemies are telling Democrats to get a stronger candidate?????

by changehorses08 on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 01:48:34 PM EST
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given the democrats' history of picking nominees.. (none / 0)

i don't think it matters. the eagerness of republicans wanting to run against hillary has been known for quite some time. there are lots of hillary supporters who still don't believe it (and grover's not the only one proclaiming this)...

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton

by bored now on Sun Sep 02, 2007 at 07:46:08 PM EST
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Re: Hillary can beat all the Republicans (none / 0)

Republicans are not eager to run against Hillary. Its just the opposite. I am eager as are other Hillary supporters to see her run against any Republican. Right now she beats all of them.

by changehorses08 on Tue Sep 04, 2007 at 03:13:15 AM EST
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Re: Whose voice are they? Is Hillary? (none / 0)

You say that once the Dem wins "we have a voice in Washington". True from the perspective that I disagree with every single choice that Bush makes. But much less true if you look at the choices the candidates have made.

Just becuase we have a Dem in the White House, doesn't mean they represent our voice.

Hillary, for example, takes $850,000 from the health care lobby (she's their voice, not the peoples'), votes to invade Iraq and can't concede any error (not the voice of the peace movement), hires union-bashing strategists (she's not the unions' voice), has the least aggressive environmental positions - per the LCV (not the voice of the greenies).

She would be a voice alright, but not for most of the progressives who you say should support her.

We need real change and just lining up behind her, or many of the others, won't bring it.

I used to think we needed to hit rock bottom to get people to change and that we had arrived. Perhaps we have farther to fall before people realize incremental change won't get us there - we need a profound shift in how we address the issues we face.

Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. -- Martin Luther King, Jr.

by passionateprogressive on Fri Aug 31, 2007 at 04:23:43 PM EST

Re: Whose voice are they? Is Hillary? (none / 0)

This great nation cannot take another 4 years of a Bush clone. Bush was the change--now its time we changed back into the country we were.

Maybe the healthcare lobby is giving money to Hillary because they want a seat at the table when we get healthcare for all Americans. Bush wants all healthcare privatized. Every American should go out and find their own healthcare, says Bush and all the Republican Candidates. I had hope for Romney because his state passed a healthcare scheme but now he is saying that scheme is not for all Americans. If we don't stand with the Democrats and another Republican is elected they will get rid of employer based healthcare. The agenda is to take what is left of our Social Safety Net and privatize everything. Just look at what this mob has done in Iraq, where the Iraqis had a healthcare system before we got there.

You say Hillary didn't apologize for her vote on the Iraq War. She said that knowing what she knows now she would not have voted for that war. But when a Clinton apologizes its never enough for the media so she would spend the entire campaign apologizing for one vote. Has Bush apologized for starting that war? Does he even now want to bring our troops home? Have any of the Republican Candidates apologized for their votes? They also want to continue to keep our troops in Iraq.

It is wonderful to be a passionate liberal. It is probably the best thing a person can be. You also have to remember that in order to force change you have to have someone in office who is willing to listen to you. Hillary will listen. Bill and Hillary believe strongly in governance and that a compassionate government can and should take care of its people.

I wish so many things. That it didn't cost 1/2 a billion to run for office, that elections were publically financed, that there were no lobbiest between us and those who run this country. But I am pragmatic. Elections do not solve all of our problems so whoever gets in the American people should be the lobbiests for the things we care about. Give the Dems a veto proof Congress and a Dem President and watch things change.

by changehorses08 on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 03:18:12 AM EST
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so you're not supporting hillary? (none / 0)

"Anyone who voted for me or caucused for me has so much more in common with Senator Obama than Senator McCain." -- Hillary Clinton

by bored now on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 02:16:47 PM EST
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Re: We need to Stand with our Party (none / 0)

by changehorses08 on Sat Sep 01, 2007 at 03:20:39 AM EST

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